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Monday, April 2, 2018

The Central American Caravan

A couple of days ago I posted a piece on Trump's foreign policy with a reference to the ancient Arabic saying, "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on."

News reports tell us there is another sort of caravan on the move. Some 1000-1200 Central Americans, aided it seems by progressive groups and the Mexican government, are "marching," driving, hiking, riding a train, whatever, on their way to the USA. It is some self-proclaimed "freedom caravan" that intends to arrive on our border, stream across, and then claim asylum in the USA from the violence in Honduras.

This seems to be a new take on the Moroccan "Green March" of 1975 used against Spain in the Western Sahara. The idea is defy the superior armed Western power to use force against a "popular" march which seeks only some altruistic goal. Very touching. You will notice these sorts of tactics are not used against certain countries known to shoot without compunction.

Anyhow, this little stunt is outrageous as it is being, as noted, aided by a nominally "friendly" country, Mexico (see my take on Mexico's friendliness here and here). Not only that, but legally the marchers have no case. If they are fleeing Honduras, they can seek asylum in Mexico, the first stop in their "escape." Mexico has the responsibility to grant them asylum, turn them over to the UN, or return them to their country of origin.

It is political season in Mexico, and the presidential candidates are trying to outdo each other in "standing up to the gringos." If this stunt succeeds, there will be a flood of similar "marches" very quickly. We either have a border or we don't. We either have a regime of laws or we don't. We either have a country or we don't. This is an existential threat as much if not more so than any actions by Russia, China, or the jihadi crazies.

We cannot just have the dogs bark. They have to bite.

One of the articles I link above noted that Mexico has over fifty diplomatic and consular missions in the United States; Honduras has about dozen missions here. All of these, the Mexican ones especially, are centers of political and immigration activism. The Mexicans, as I have noted before, have been quite open in their meddling in our internal affairs, including in the last elections.

We need to tell these governments in no uncertain terms that we intend to shut down half of their missions immediately, and will shut down others in accordance with their behavior. We, furthermore, need to tell them that we will cease issuing visas, and even shut the border to normal trade and tourism if these sorts of officially tolerated and sponsored events occur.

This is no joke. Serious as a heart attack.

56 comments:

  1. It's an assault against our Constitution. Freedom of movement *within* the states is guaranteed to all citizens of the US. Pushing for 'open borders' is intended to make our Constitution meaningless. Why would there need to be any protection of the freedom of movement within the country, if there can be no restrictions on leaving and entering the country anyways? The constitution is then superseded, and more and more irrelevant.

    But that's their goal, undermine, delegitimize, and remove the fundamental document which gotten us to where we are. After all, if your marxism can't beat a capitalist republic in a free competition of ideas, lie, cheat, steal, and call yourself a 'democrat'.

    - reader #1482

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  2. They will enter through San Diego and Jerry Brown will provide a State police escort. He will plant them in Issa's 49th district and get them on the voter rolls to help flip that district. They will then be triple counted on the census so another Red State Congressional District gets transferred to California where Lib/Prog Los Angeles will be further carved up into more Maxine Water's type areas.

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    1. Living as I do in Darryl Issa's 49th District, I only wish that what you said was in jest.

      Sadly, it's probably the exact thing that's planned to happen! This district has already been gerrymandered towards the Dems, so it wouldn't need much to swing it entirely over.

      CA and its insane leader, Jerry "Moonbat" Brown, intend to keep CA a one-party state, at all costs!

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    2. I live just south of you. The Dems moved 20K out of our district and put then in Hunters. Then they stuff 10000 Demos from Susan Davis' 53rd into ours. Suddenly one of the most Conservative areas of San Diego is sending the odious Scott Peters to Congress.

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    3. So why are you people still living there?

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    4. It’s not jus moonbeam that has f’ed the state, C Munger is equally to blame for instituting the one party state

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    5. @anonymous, Because we'll need stay-behind agents to assist in the retaking of California by Federal forces?

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  3. Isn't Mexico's implicit facilitation of this "Caravan" yet another breach of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo?

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  4. Yes, you do need to do something about it. This is similar to the situation here in the UK where other European governments collude in assisting economic migrants through their territories and in effect, deliver them to the Channel ports so they can attempt entry to the UK. Mercifully, we have 20 miles of sea; you need a wall.

    We've pretty much lost what made our country great; subsumed into an unpleasant and unstable mess of "diversity" and at risk of being overwhelmed by those who would make us into another Third World sh*thole (if I may quote your President). I include our home-grown Marxists and Trots in that group, too.

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    1. And, Formertory, just like the situation in my country. I hope Trump can do something about this invasion, it may give some of our milquetoasts over here a backbone. I am truly sorry that you Brits have to endure something as horrible and wrong as a Muslim Mayor in the great city of London. Well, might happen here as well, nothing surprises me anymore. This plague, this pestilence, mass-immigration and Islam, happened so fast. I just read that the mighty EU-commission-agent Frans Timmermann said in a big meeting with imams: "Islam is our history, our presence and it will be our future". Chilling. This is orchestrated, no doubt. But , congratulations to Brexit.
      Swedish lady

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    2. Now it seems that murders in London are on a par with New York City. Mostly knives, but there's always acid, garrotes, beating people to death.

      The UK gun laws have worked so well. Almost as well as Sweden's nightmare immigration policy. We get emails from Swedes who claim (wistfully) that it's high time for an outbreak of Berserkers and úlfheðnar to put the fear of the Norse into their guests. One can only hope.

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    3. Indeed. The meejah no longer report ethnicity in these matters because the perpetrators and victims are - in gross disproportion to the population mix - predominantly those who should, ah, be having their diversity celebrated.

      And that's before we get to the many instances of grooming of underage girls by gangs of Muslim Pakistani men in Northern towns and cities, which crimes the BBC scarcely ever mentions. Neither do the Police, sadly, except to play it down.

      @Swedish Lady: Thanks for the support for Brexit. We desperately need to be out of the EU!

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  5. Europe would not have this invasion of barbarians if we had shot at and sunk the first few boats with "desperate refugees" that arrived at our shores. Closing consulates is a nice gesture, but will not prevent the next caravan if this first one gets in.

    Besides, I think this caravan is meant as a personal insult to President Trump. A slap in the face, if you will. Just to show that he can talk and tweet as much as he likes, but that he is powerless to stop them. Just wondering if Obama has anything to do with this, he can't be happy that President Trump is destroying his "legacy"...

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    1. No, you're right. I should have made clear that closing the consulates will not necessarily stop this caravan. It will, however, make clear to the Mexican government that there is a cost to this sort of aggression. The "caravan" needs to be intercepted and sent back into Mexico. We need a clear policy that this sort of stunt will not be permitted; any US groups involved should be charged as human smugglers. We need the wall. We need a speedy deportation process not the current absurd catch, release, hope they show up for a hearing in two weeks . . .Above all, we must make clear that certain activities, e.g., gun ownership, voting, receiving public assistance, etc, are reserved for US citizens and, in some cases, for those legally here.

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    2. I think Trump opened the bidding by mentioning that he could cancel NAFTA. I also hear that the "caravan" is slowing down. Mexico has a lot to lose with this president, unlike the last few.

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    3. Interdict the caravan, convene the 'Judge Roy Bean' Memorial Mobile federal courthouse! Set-up surplus tents surrounded by barbed wire and US milita! Voila a dedicated and contained workforce, put 'em all to work on the border building "THE WALL" '3-hots and a cot' till they serve out their 1-5yr sentences! Then they bus ticket back to where they came from!
      OW
      "Let's Roll"

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  6. This is a test of Trump and he better fire the airtraffic controllers or he will be in hot politically water with his base. It looks like the marchers have a semi truck as a support vehicle. If I were Trump something would happen to that truck, the more spectacular, the better.

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    1. truck no doubt furnished by the DNC.

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  7. An alternative to having an actual government in mexico, would be for mexico to cede a 20-mile strip along the US border to an official nation-less DMZ.
    If you can't maintain control of your own house, you're inviting others to do it for you.

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    1. Back in the 1850's, they ceded us the Gadsen Purchase when they were short of money and we had some to spend.

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  8. Could any crossing of the border by such a large group be considered an invasion under international law given that it has been aided and abetted by aspects of the Mexican government (ie. local municipalities providing transportation and supplies)? If it were an invasion, would that be sufficient to hang a treason charge (or at least a conspiracy charge) on anybody in the US who gave aid to it?

    I'm asking because I've seen accusations that this was being funded by our old 'friend', George Soros. If the above were sufficient, a treason conviction against him would clear up a lot of issues for us.

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  9. Tracking Raspail's the Camp of the Saints written in 1973. If they get in the next march will be massive daring the border patrol to shoot. Wikipedia has a cliff notes of the plot.

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  10. Could Trump start curtailing the sending of remittances by Mexican citizens who are working in the US? He's mentioned it.

    A difference between these migrants and many in Northern Europe is that they really are walking. The invaders into Germany, Austria, etc., traveled much of the distance by train, arrived looking fresh and well-dressed and most had a hundred Euros doled out to them. Many had cellphones.

    Perhaps the same folk who paid for the BLM and Antifa to be hauled into Charlottesville - often on the same bus?

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  11. Sorry OT but the trade war with china seems to be heating up. Does anyone know what critical industrial goods china supplies us??? Rare earth metals? do other viable sources exist....

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    1. I think there rare earth metals in Alaska. Certainly hope someone is taking another look at those sites.

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    2. Asteroidal materials are particularly enriched in rare earth and Platinum-group elements. Those in Earth-crossing orbits are easier to get to in terms of energy than the Moon. Time to get cracking.

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  12. Seems to me its time to start hitting the remittances. Start by slowing them down -- no more than one remittance per person every two months, then every six months, than every year. Then start taxing them: 5% of every remittance is paid as tax to the state from which the remittance is sent. This makes it very hard for places like CA or AZ to fight the law, as it will cost them money. Write the law in such a way that if the state refuses to implement them, they default to the federal government. And so on. . . Including writing an escalation clause into the law, so that 5% this year becomes 15% next year, etc.

    Oh, and it is time to propose this law before the House flips!

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  13. This reminds me of the Gaza flotilla. To much fan fare it is coming! Oh, here it is! Bad, bad Israelis, you stopped it!

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  14. How quickly folks forget or in the case of millennials, don't know or care re: Mariel Boatlift, 15 APR - 31 OCT 1980. More than 125,000 Cuban invaders landed upon the shores of Florida courtesy of Fidel Castro and his partner in crime, the US federal government !

    fUSA didn't stop them then. And we are not going to stop the Hispanic flotsam now.

    Why the eff are we fighting in Afghanistan while the war is on the Mexican border and the enemy ensconsed in Washington District of Criminals ?

    Mariel Boatlift....history repeats itself.

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    1. Now would be a good time to organize a 'Peoples Militia'.

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    2. I understand that one result of the Mariel Boatlift was that either Reagan or Bush I called in the Soviet Ambassador and asked him if Cuba was worth a nuclear war. When the Soviet said no, the US President said that he could then tell his friend Castro that another Mariel-esque stunt would result in the USA's military re-making Cuba into a country where people would stay.

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  15. Everything within 200m of the border should be a free fire zone.
    _revjen45

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  16. "Marine, make a Condition One weapon & stand by..."

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  17. Sending troops to the border is a great start. Building the wall is the only answer. Closing Mexican consulates is a must, we need to let Mexico know that the days of turning our backs on illegal immigration is over. For every illegal that is caught we should deduct from our aid to Mexico the cost of deporting them back to where they came from. If the Republicans in Congress had any balls they would pass a spending bill for the wall, they don't need any Democrats to do so. Use the same rules that the Dems used when they passed Obamacare.

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  18. Mad,
    I think the Left has made a huge mistake with this caravan scheme. I agree with you on it's purpose, I just think they've miscalculated "Hugely".
    James

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    1. I think that if there are unaccompanied minors who have been sexually violated in this "caravan", any Leftist American organizers should be arrested and tried as human traffickers.

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  19. Many thoughts go through my mind as I read this article and come home from a day with my children at the Mall of America, which is a diversity Multicultural hell-hole with somalis Hispanics Negros of all sorts of flavors and multiple ethnic groups including hijab-wearing Muslims and Orthodox Jews, it's quite an odd dichotomy and I hadn't thought of the United States as a failed state so much up until today spending the afternoon at the mall with my children, I don't know how many of these people could ever perceive of themselves as being an American and understanding what this place is about 1 in a thousand one in 10,000? It is quite a troubling future we face and as I reflect on how I feel that the Israelis perhaps possibly overreacted to the situation in Gaza when they are in possession of Sonic weapons that induce nausea as well as smell weapons such as the skunk which cause people to run and flee from the area instead of using live fire they could have used simple methods such such as that that wouldn't have allowed people to get within a half-mile of the border, now it's a public relations debacle, what to do about the American Border situation? yes closing consulates would be a promising start live-fire such as the Israelis I don't know? We are living in very interesting times

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    1. I do like the idea of “less than lethal” weapons being deployed as a first line of defense sonic and microwave weapons are a true deterent, just ask anyone who was in Seatle at the G8 meeting a few years back, secondary line could be concertina wire and land mines backed up by the riflemen, three strikes and you’re out

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    2. I agree that we need to get immigration under control--but chiefly by simply enforcing the rules we already have. I also approve of Pres. Trump calling out Mexico on this caravan.

      However, I will add that I would like to see myself as "multicultural", were it not for the fact that a bunch of anti-cultural airheads have hijacked the term. My wife is from Taiwan; our household is bilingual in English and Mandarin; I have read Moses, Paul, Confucius, and Lao Zi in the original languages, and can function in some others. We are "diverse" faces in the crowd, but that does not mean we are not American, or desire to see our country turn into another s---hole.

      As an ESOL teacher, I see a large number of immigrants. Believe me, very many are here to assimilate, contribute, and are here legally (among the reasons why I could never approve of an immigration moratorium). Further, while I would certainly put a clamp on the gangs, the smuggling of indentured workers (from the Fuzhou area of China, for example), and the like, I also see a wide range of cases among the young who were brought here illegally.

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    3. The vast majority of legal immigrants want to be American, though Muslims have some reservations about the Constitution being the supreme law of the land rather than the Koran. Fair enough. I know Christian yahoos who feel the Bible should be supreme. We know well enough to keep either from happening. No, it's our educational system that scares me. With our multi-culti, po-mo (post-modernist), "the feelz is everything" edu-crat class, who's going to be taught what America really stands for in the first place? By far, America's worst enemies today are home-grown. Not least because so many of them can't conceive of a foreign power as being truly hostile, particularly if they're non-white. Unless, of course, it's politically convenient to use as a stick to bash a Republican or even a Democrat patriot (few and far between as they are these days).

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    4. Larry: Speaking as a high school teacher (ESOL and social studies; on occasion Chinese language), I agree with you that our education system is very often a threat.

      BTW, as a Christian yahoo, I recognize that the Bible is supreme in our culture. Having dined (on pork and chicken, mind you) with brethren whose great-great-grandmothers wouldn't have married a guy who hadn't brought home an enemy head, I thank God that all those so-called "enlightened" Americans who think themselves so smart had great-great-grandmothers who believed that the commandment "You shalt not commit murder" was written with the very finger of God himself and delivered to Moses at Sinai. We'd be a very. very different kind of society otherwise.

      I also find it cheap to find moral equivalence between Christians whose Old Testament enjoins praying for the peace of the city in which they are exiles and whose New Testament enjoins being at peace with all men as much as it is up to us and Muslims, whose Scripture enjoins aggressive war for booty, sex slaves, and a subjugated conquered population. Such moral equivalence being taken seriously is one of the reasons why I am deeply ashamed of the "education" my current shop currently dispenses, and why I see such "ejjikashun" as a threat.

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    5. @kapha, you make the mistake of assuming I mean all Christians are yahoos. Far from it. But when they think that the 1st 4 Commandments need to be enforced by Law, then I've Got A Serious Problem. That's when they're indistinguishable from those that want to impose Sharia. They're fucking fanatics, pure and simple, little different from those who burned witches and books. Biblical literalists who can't be bothered with the many instances where the Bible directly contradicts itself or claims impossible things, and who want to impose them on others, are not Good People. Period. Neither are Sharia-first assholes.

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  20. Dip, would you like to give your opinion on the article in this link please?

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-doj-records-show-obama-administration-helped-fund-george-soros-left-wing-political-activities-Albania/

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  21. You will notice these sorts of tactics are not used against certain countries known to shoot without compunction.

    If there is one thin the US is known for, it is shooting brown people without compunction. Were they headed for Canada?

    Anyhow, this little stunt is outrageous as it is being, as noted, aided by a nominally "friendly" country, Mexico ...

    Actually, it was stopped by Mexico, as were previous caravans. However, why let facts get in the way of a good rant?

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    1. Stopped in Mexico after Trump made a stink about it.

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    2. I'll also note that the USA and its British ally firebombed white people without compunction in Hamburg and Dresden. A white man went to the electric chair within two weeks of attempting to assassinate FDR and killing Mayor Anton Cermak of Chicago. And, if we are so "racist", why are they coming here instead of to that center of social justice in Cuba? Or, for that matter, Correa's Ecuador or Maduro's Venezuela? Why not China, with its growing economy?

      I grew up being told how wonderfully enlightened the French were about racial matters, but as a college lecturer and high school teacher, I have had Afro-French students tell me how impressed they were with the "relaxed" racial relationships in the USA, including an area that was once the happy hunting ground of the Ku Klux Klan.

      Sure, there's lots that can be corrected here in the USA. But, as head of a "diverse" family that was treated well enough in what would become Trump Country, I get a little tired abiout cheap so-called virtue-signalling (by people who are probably moral relativists no less) about American "racism".

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    3. One Brow, in answer to your question, no, they were not heading for tolerant, Trudeauian Canada. They wanted entry to the racist, genocidal US of A! Not possible to get people to think right, is it? Get Soros on the case!

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    4. Well, One Brow, if a few got shot evading capture on the border, then we could bus the rest straight to Canada in dump trucks and dump them over the border with raging dogs deterring them from crossing back. I'd hate to do that to Canada, though. Except that their holier than thou moral preening sometimes makes me wish we would.

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    5. Larry--Better yet, put them on boats at some Texas port, give them a heavily armed US naval escort, and let them off on the Cuban coast, for there they will enjoy free education, free health care, social justice in all things, and they won't have to learn English. And never mind that the late and unlamented Che Guevara called them a rabble of ignorant "indios". Think of how Cuba's image as a both a haven of social justice and plucky underdog against Yanqui Imperialism will be enhanced, and how the rest of the world can preen in self-righteous self-adulation. Everyone wins.

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    6. Stopped in Mexico after Trump made a stink about it.

      As noted above, the two caravans in 2017 were stopped by Mexico, without any stink being made by Trump.


      I'll also note that the USA and its British ally firebombed white people without compunction in Hamburg and Dresden. A white man went to the electric chair within two weeks of attempting to assassinate FDR and killing Mayor Anton Cermak of Chicago.

      Your point being that we occasionally kill white people? Agreed.

      And, if we are so "racist", why are they coming here instead of to that center of social justice in Cuba?

      This is where the money is. Most people would face some oppression when it meant feeding their family.

      I grew up being told how wonderfully enlightened the French were about racial matters,

      They have their issues in this matter.

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    7. One Brow, in answer to your question, no, they were not heading for tolerant, Trudeauian Canada. They wanted entry to the racist, genocidal US of A! Not possible to get people to think right, is it? Get Soros on the case!

      I don't know Soros, nor know why he would be interested, except in various fear-induced fever dreams. I presume they wanted entry here because here is the best economic opportunity, despite racism.

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  22. How would Mexico be the country of first asylum for Honduran refugees (if, indeed, they are truly fleeing political or other repression)? Doesn't Guatemala come first?

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    1. You are correct. From the press reports, however, it was not initially clear to me where this "caravan" formed. It seemed it did so once the people arrived in Mexico. If that is correct, the Government of Mexico would have to be the first one to deal with the supposed claims for asylum and prevent people from engaging in announced illegal behavior at the Mexico-US border. Te governments of Guatemala and Honduras, of course, as bear responsibility for allowing illegal crossings of their borders and allowing people to do so as long as the keep moving north.

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    2. These migrants were headed north to "white dudes country" in spite of all they know that is wrong with us here in the US. Still they persist.

      Build the wall.

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    3. From the sidebar of this page: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-military-can-secure-border-and.html

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